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Twelve Manaka shapes on one validation set

Measurement record, 2026-08-26. Twelve one-epoch Manaka weight files were evaluated on the same 16,384-position holdout to compare policy cross-entropy (CE) and policy top1.

The question is whether the two metrics rank architectures the same way. They do not.

Conditions

manaka-train has no validate-only command, so each weight file received one extra training step before validation. That is 1 step against a roughly 293,000-step epoch and is treated as negligible but recorded here explicitly.

All runs used the same holdout and default --q-ratio 0.5.

Results

Sorted by lower CE. gap is top1 rank minus CE rank.

shapeval CECE ranktop1top1 rankgapvalue_sign
f42.63361.33253+2.6885
pairtie2.65502.32676+4.6909
ks2.69113.33074+1.6973
m162.69244.32627+3.6802
f22.72135.33691−4.6936
order22.72726.32925−1.6973
pair02.73927.32199+2.6980
lse4ks2.74078.315911+3.6789
h22562.77209.310512+3.6637
pair64full2.787110.33392−8.6755
base2.800911.319910−1.6902
lse42.810912.32328−4.6915

Spearman rank correlation between CE and top1: +0.476.

What this establishes

  • CE and top1 are not interchangeable architecture metrics.
  • pair64full is the clearest disagreement: 2nd on top1, 10th on CE.
  • pair0 beats base on both metrics in these weight files, but this does not contradict the older §10 Elo result because those games used different weights.
  • h2256 is weak on both metrics, consistent in direction with its older Elo result.

For the eight shapes that also have old §10 Elo rankings, top1 correlates more strongly with that old ranking than CE (+0.738 versus +0.405). Because the weights differ, this is reference only, not validation of either metric.

Next measurement

Run Simulations = 0 round-robin games using these exact twelve weight files. That puts Elo, CE and top1 on identical weights and removes the main confound in the historical comparison.